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Left of the Hudson: Secession bill introduced in New York State Senate

Thursday, March 26, 2009

Secession bill introduced in New York State Senate

Here we go again. The age-old pseudo-feud between Western/upstate NY and downstate is again reintroduced. And as silly as it sounds, I've spoken to a few people that are taking these clowns seriously.

Should upstate New York go its own way? And what would we call ourselves — Upstatonia? Newer York? Adirondackiana?
These are just a few of the questions raised by a bill recently introduced by a handful of Republican state senators calling for a referendum that would ask, “Do you support the division of New York into two separate states?"

The bill, which you can read in its entirety after the jump, is co-sponsored by Joseph Robach (R-56th District), William Larkin (R-39th District), Michael Ranzenhofer (R-61st District), James Seward (R-51st District) and Dale Volker (R-59th District). Coincidentally, all are upstate legislators and represent largely rural districts.

Whenever I hear nonsense like this, and worse yet, when I think of the tax money wasted on nonsense like this, I am reminded that many of our elected officials are fools. And I'm not calling them "fools" as a taunt, or because I enjoy name-calling. I mean, these people are operating a few fries short of a happy meal.

Just off the top of our heads, we can think of a few implications of upstate becoming the 51st state — and we’re assuming that’s how it would be done geographically, as opposed to, say, drawing the border down Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

Republicans would almost certainly find themselves back in power positions.
The governor of upstate would probably do most of his work at the Capitol.
The New York Times would need a new city to kick around in its editorial headlines (e.g. today’s MTA-related “Thanks a lot, Albany”).
The members of the Long Island branch of the state GOP would find themselves feeling very, very lonely.
The so-called “Bear Mountain Pact” — the unspoken rule that, y’know, what happens in Albany stays in Albany — would have to be renegotiated.

The idea of the state splitting into two over ideological reasons is nothing new, but there is no possible way that such an event (as unlikely as it is) would benefit any if its residents. Yes, upstate carried more than its share of the financial burden during some economic tough times for the city in the 1970s and in the 1980s, but in boom times downstate that debt has been repaid with the greater NYC area benefitting less and having a higher net tax burden than the remainder of the state. A few years ago, it was found that the City of New York gave $11 billion more in tax revenue than it received back.
If anything, Western New York/upstate and the downstate have a unique symbiotic relationship that you don't find in many other states, like my former home of Michigan where the Upper Peninsula has no natural relationship to the lower one.

In the end, the division of New York into two states is impossible. It would be crippling to New York get into some dysfunctional Western NY/upstate/downstate divorce where we would wrestle for custody of state assets. Do these State Senators understand what a very intricate puissance they would be disassembling?

And now, with much of Western NY in pretty much of a permanent recession, these areas need downstate more than ever. However, I think it is high time to discuss ways of rebooting the State's economic priorities to help give Western NY/upstate a needed shot in the arm. Putting a high-speed rail line to connect the entire state would help and extending this line down along Lake Erie into Ohio would help even more, as it will coalesce the nanotechnology alley that runs from Cleveland to Syracuse. And to do so, the western part of the state will need the tax resources from downstate.

4 Comments:

Blogger alan said...

I grew up in rural upstate New York. I graduated from the University of Rochester and basically lived almost 30 years in NY, all upstate.

Every time I see something like this, I feel a sort of abject shame. I last thought dividing the state in two was a good idea when I was about 8 years old. I think I also thought Nixon was OK back then.

Fortunately, we mature as we age.

Or most of us do anyway. But for some upstate Republicans, the low-hanging fruit of firing up their constituents with almost entirely bogus claims about how downstate is somehow hurting upstate, well, it's clear that for them, growing up is hard to do.

Sad.

March 26, 2009 2:15 PM  
Anonymous William Sjem said...

I had grown up in Long Island and had recently moved to upstate, NY. I had been coming up here my whole life and always had more of an affection for it ththan LI.

That being said, I strongly support the split into 2 states or even just the independence of NYC and a union with upstate and LI.

People fail to realize, while at the present upstate does benefit in terms of tax dollars in many ways from this union; It is the policies passed by the NYC politicians dominating Albany that keep our economy depressed in the first place.

THe other item to consider is that many of these funds go to support thelarger failed cities of Albany, Buffalo, etc, where these NYC policies allies reside and subarbanites and rural , NY Pay.

An independent Upstate will allow us to have a government with business friendly policies to attract the population to replace the 2million who have left in the last ten years, also the businesses to rebuild our infrastructure.

We would also be able to tap into our enormous natural Gas reserves along the finger lake region.

Totally different cultures, view points and vastly conflicting interests. We'd all benefit and I am glad Seward, my guy, proposed this.

June 22, 2009 11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I definitely say SECEDE! The shame that Alan feels is over the fact that he is a traitor. CANALIA!

September 19, 2009 2:42 PM  
Anonymous ryan said...

I live in rural Western New York. This needs to happen because NYC is a burden on the rest of the state. That welfare capital can be supported by wall street. The rural areas of New York have always been robbed by the big city politicians. New York State is in huge debt this would be a great way to fix that problem. It isn't a republican democrat issue it's a local issue why shouldn't we have a chance to vote on it? I think we know what side the journalist is on. High speed rail hahhaha ya that would solve all our problems. Talk about a waste of money, as a 22 year old full time student and employed, I have about had it with NYS Gov't. Wake up and smell the coffee people it's time for a change or the young people are going south.

November 13, 2009 7:45 PM  

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